Wine kits or grapes?
Posted 03 November 2003 - 04:28 PM
Question to anybody out there: I am still searching for a vinyard that will ship grapes frozen. I have found several ads in "WineMaker" magazine for purchasing grapes, but they don't ship frozen. I have to wonder actually how long they will stay frozen during shipment.
This Thursday a reputable wine distributer is having a wine tasting here in Jackson MS. I am hoping to get some info from one of their sales reps.
Posted 03 November 2003 - 06:24 PM
If your grapes are frozen at the distributor, they should arrive at your location frozen.
The "reefer vans" that are running up and down the roads are also equipped to keep the load almost as cold as you can imagine. 50 below is not out of range, but I don't think that grapes would need to be kept any colder than 0 F.
If you are near a larger community that has a large Italian or Portuguese community, you should be able to get your grapes through one of the food stores there.
Hope this works out for you. It is almost at the end of grape season. We have snow on the ground now and I think it will be here until march or so.
Posted 04 November 2003 - 11:19 AM
I will look for any Italian food stores. I probably won't try making wine from actual grapes until next years grape season is complete. Right now I am in the "reading books" stage, and searching for info. This web site has been very helpful. I am also going to plant some "Cynthiana Norton" this spring.
I just finished reading a good book about wine cellars. So I am hoping to construct my own cellar this coming summer.
Posted 05 November 2003 - 03:51 PM
Posted 06 November 2003 - 12:03 AM
"......lay down the boogie and play that funky music 'til ya die...'til ya die !"
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Posted 06 November 2003 - 08:21 AM
find an embankment or have several ton of dirt brought in and piled high....dig into the side of teh embankment and use large rocks piled upon one another for walls...keep the floor dirt...put pallets down on the floor and use a solid wood door with no windows....you just made yourself an excellent wine cellar....we had several of these when i was a kid on the farm and we used them for storgae of potatoes year around...in the summer it stayed cool and in the winter it was warmer than outside...
Posted 07 November 2003 - 04:24 PM
Posted 10 November 2003 - 08:22 AM
it might be cheaper to buy a walk in refrigerated storage unit and keep it in the garage...check out the web for these units under restaraunt supplies or wait for a local eatery who goes out of business and buy a used one cheap...
your wife has to be having a fit about having an 8 foot square hole in the yard...let alone the local government who i doubt would give you a permit to build such a thing...
best of luck
Posted 18 November 2003 - 12:27 PM
There was some discussion about ice wine, and the question came up as to why frozen grapes have a higher sugar concentration. Well actually, they don't! Here's a quote from "Wine for Dummies".
"When the grape grower harvests the frozen grapes and crushes them, much of the water in the berries separates out as ice. The juice that is left to ferment is concentrated in sugar and flavour... "
More trivia for you.
Posted 11 January 2004 - 05:21 AM
The second part is not about the sugar in the fruit...it is about how it is handled. It is picked and pressed when solidly frozen. The sugar water has a lower freezing point than pure water...so roughly half of the water in the grape is in ice crystals and left in the press with the skins...it does not run out into the must. That means that you get very little must, but that it is very sweet, it is almost similar to a concentrate. In other words, you get almost all of the sugar, but only some of the water.
It is a similar concept to the 'ice brewed' beers, where they chill it to freezing, A little bit of ice (nearly pure water) forms on the surface and is continuously removed to concentrate what is left.
Happy winemaking! (My first post, yeah!)
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