truely amazing.
thank you for that....now to just dream
jeff
My Wine Cave
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Posted 01 March 2007 - 11:14 AM
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Posted 01 March 2007 - 12:32 PM
Wow. That's fantastic!
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Posted 01 March 2007 - 12:47 PM
OMG!
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Beautiful. Hat off to you and your lovely family
I
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Beautiful. Hat off to you and your lovely family
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Posted 01 March 2007 - 01:10 PM
That's freakin' insane! 
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Posted 01 March 2007 - 05:00 PM
One word: Awesome!
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Posted 01 March 2007 - 06:39 PM
BEAUTIFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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1 Gal grapefruit
2 gal cherry
3 galconcord grape (hubby likes this now even though it was only started in OCT/06)
3 gal pineapple/banana
2.5 gal cranberry
1 gal Niagra
2 gal Lemon
1 gal hard lemonade(almost gone, yum)
1 gal apple
I am learning to leave my wines alone
I cant wait to make some , pumpkin, elderberry, raspberry,apricot and more pineapple! need more BUNGS!!!!!
2 gal cherry
3 galconcord grape (hubby likes this now even though it was only started in OCT/06)
3 gal pineapple/banana
2.5 gal cranberry
1 gal Niagra
2 gal Lemon
1 gal hard lemonade(almost gone, yum)
1 gal apple
I am learning to leave my wines alone
I cant wait to make some , pumpkin, elderberry, raspberry,apricot and more pineapple!
need more BUNGS!!!!!
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Posted 01 March 2007 - 06:49 PM
Scott, absolutely beautiful!!! You're livin' the dream (mine at least 
). Keep us posted on the vines & wines as they develop. 
). Keep us posted on the vines & wines as they develop.
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Posted 01 March 2007 - 07:05 PM
QUOTE (Andy in SoCal @ Mar 1 2007, 09:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
PS: Can you tell us more about sizing and installing the heat pump?
Thank you all for your kind words. I knew you guys would appreciate it. Most of my neighbors think I'm a nut.
I can't resist encouraging Andy. Try starting this while your wife is out, if possible.
I did some heat transfer in school: A very common problem is calculating heat loss to a slab on grade (for sizing HVAC equipment in a home). Typically designers use 1 to 3 BTU/hr/ft2, which the untrained might think to be crazy low. You have to remember that your house (or wine cave) actually transfers heat to (or from) the concrete and soil, and maintains a battery of sort. With a cave, I would use 1 Btu/hr/ft2, but it is probably even lower.
Count up your square footage, including the floor, walls and ceiling. I come up with 750 BTU/hr on the buried walls.....but it is the front wall that sees the big heat load. This is a bit more math than you should find on a photo page...but it is my bent...sorry.
Conduction coefficients for concrete and wood, Kc=0.55 and Kw=0.12. Heat load into the front wall, Hw=Kc (ft2 of concrete)*(Temp Outside - Temp Inside)/(thickness of wall, feet). I keep my cave at 60F and see up to 100F during the summer. For my 9" thick wall with 45 sq ft (subtract the area of the wood door), I gain (0.55)(45)(100-60)/(9/12)=1320 BTU/hr. For the door, 2.5" thick and 18 ft2, heat gain could be up to (0.12)(18)(100-60)/(2.5/12)=415 BTU/hr. Add all of this up: 750+1320+415=2485 BTU/hr on a smoking hot day. As you can see, most of the load is in from the front wall. The smallest mini-split heat pump I could find was 3/4 ton (or 9,000 BTU/hr). So this baby can handle it.
In fact, it doesn't run the pump during the winter as far as I know. I got mine on ebay for $400, as it had a crushed box. I also had to shove in a parallel resistor to the coil side thermistor to "recalibrate" the unit, since the Koreans don't figure you need to run a heat pump below 65 deg F. You can install the pump up to 50' away to keep it out of sight. Mine is surprisingly quiet. I have to look at the fan to see if it is running.
I grew up in Thousand Oaks and know Agoura well. If you are serious, Andy, drive on down for some info and a glass or two.
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Posted 01 March 2007 - 07:28 PM
AMAZING!! Ain't it wunnerful what a little ingenuity and a hell of a lot of sweat can do! I'm all flat too. 
what's brewing; 13gal local plum_12gal crabapple_6gal red raspberry_10gal local grape
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Posted 02 March 2007 - 09:39 AM
Scott, I have tears in my eyes, this is so beautiful. This is the most inspiring sight on the net, and I am continually impressed by all the wonderful individuals here in this forum who are so willing to offer their ideas and assistance to everyone who participates at Winepress.US.
Cheers All
John
Cheers All
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Posted 02 March 2007 - 10:27 AM
Scott,
Your wine cave looks beautiful, you should be extremely proud! Great set of photos too.
I have questions about the tunneling part. Did you have to rock bolt and reinforce the lining all the back? Are those weathered granitic rocks that you built it in? It looks like an ideal combination of strong enough rock to stand, and workable enough to excavate with the electric hammer. I'm jealous.
Alan
Your wine cave looks beautiful, you should be extremely proud! Great set of photos too.
I have questions about the tunneling part. Did you have to rock bolt and reinforce the lining all the back? Are those weathered granitic rocks that you built it in? It looks like an ideal combination of strong enough rock to stand, and workable enough to excavate with the electric hammer. I'm jealous.
Alan
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Posted 02 March 2007 - 10:50 AM
Very nice cave. I love the work you did. I didn't see anything in terms of drainage though. Is that not a problem where you're at? It's be a shame if the cave flooded for some reason, and I'd think any dampness might lead to biological problems if you're going to do some wine making in there as well as storage.
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Bottled: Apple ~ Pear ~ Mango ~ Papaya ~ Blueberry ~ Raisin, Costco Sourced Fruit
Upcoming: Grigonnay, pasturized juice source
Upcoming: Malbec, frozen must source
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Posted 02 March 2007 - 10:56 AM
Scott,
Thanks for that! I do have a (unused, these days) degree in civil engineering so I'm happy to dive into the numbers. My wife wondered why I was staring at our back hill this AM with my morning glass of juice in my hand...
Anyway, we try to get the kids down to the Zoo and stuff once a year or so so we'll keep in touch!
Andy
Thanks for that! I do have a (unused, these days) degree in civil engineering so I'm happy to dive into the numbers. My wife wondered why I was staring at our back hill this AM with my morning glass of juice in my hand...
Anyway, we try to get the kids down to the Zoo and stuff once a year or so so we'll keep in touch!
Andy
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Posted 02 March 2007 - 11:31 AM
QUOTE (Andy in SoCal @ Mar 2 2007, 09:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
My wife wondered why I was staring at our back hill this AM with my morning glass of juice in my hand...
I can see it now...
(Mrs. Andy looking at her husband in the backyard) "Honey? Is everything alright? Andy? ANDY?!" (Yells back to kids) "Kids, call 911! Daddy thinks he is a gopher!"
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Posted 02 March 2007 - 01:46 PM
QUOTE (gregorio @ Mar 2 2007, 01:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I can see it now...
(Mrs. Andy looking at her husband in the backyard) "Honey? Is everything alright? Andy? ANDY?!" (Yells back to kids) "Kids, call 911! Daddy thinks he is a gopher!"
(Mrs. Andy looking at her husband in the backyard) "Honey? Is everything alright? Andy? ANDY?!" (Yells back to kids) "Kids, call 911! Daddy thinks he is a gopher!"
Andy
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